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VALE Vince Karalius

Itching for a scrap

Iron Man: British League Legend Vince Karalius (left) with his brother Dennis at

Iron Man: British Rugby League Hall of Fame Member Vince Karalius (left) with his brother at the family scrap metal yard in Widnes.

 

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Vince Karalius

Aggressive, ferocious and singularly determined, he was one of the most revered figures in the history of rugby league

In the words of the Rugby League Journal, Vince Karalius was "one of the most revered figures in the history of rugby league… a symbol of toughness, strength, aggression, ferocity and determination in the days when [the game] was built on a platform of physical confrontation". Karalius, a Widnesian who retired to the Isle of Man, where he has died aged 76, enjoyed considerable success first with St Helens and then with his local club, although it was his performances for Great Britain in Australia in 1958 that ensured he would be remembered as "the Wild Bull of the Pampas".

He made his international debut in the second Test in Brisbane and played a courageous and crucial part in one of Britain's best ever wins, in which the captain Alan Prescott famously played on with a broken arm but Karalius also defied a bruised spine that forced him straight to hospital after the game.

According to Tom Mitchell, the tour manager who had pressed for Karalius's selection "to tame the Aussie hard men": "The team went out [for the second half] with Karalius at the far side of the dressing room still on the bench. 'Sorry, Thomas, can't — it's me back'. I got in behind him and did enough to get him standing up. Slowly across the room to the sunlit opening leading to the pitch — then a step or two and like a boxer getting up after a knockdown, he teetered with a push on to the arena, gaining movement with every stride. Without him on the field the position was the same as the captain — certain defeat. How he stood up to the first 10 minutes I will never know."

Karalius also had to switch from his normal loose forward position to stand-off to replace another injured player. Alex Murphy, who was playing scrum half, recalled: "When he said he'd fill in at stand-off, I just told him I'd give him the ball and he'd drive it up without passing. But Vinty wasn't having any of that... he sucked in three players and got away a wonderful offload for me to score."

Karalius recovered from his back injury and returned to the pack for the 40-17 win in the third Test in Sydney, with which Britain retained the Ashes, and at one stage during the tour an Australian journalist wrote: "Long-jawed Vince Karalius, the wild bull of the Pampas, is a dedicated wrecker of Australian forwards." The nickname, a reference to the Argentinian heavyweight boxer Luis Angel Firpo — El Toro Pamporo – followed him back home, where he played for St Helens in their 1959 Championship victory over Hunslet, and was captain for the 1961 Challenge Cup final win over Wigan at Wembley. He had also played in the first Saints team to win the cup, against Halifax in 1956, and after joining Widnes in March 1962 he enjoyed a third Wembley win against Hull KR in 1964 – the Chemics' first trophy for 18 years.

He retired in 1966 at the age of 34 after making 132 appearances for Widnes to follow the 252 he made for St Helens. The other highlight of his playing career was the 1960 World Cup on home soil, when he played in the victories over New Zealand, France and Australia that regained the world champions title for Great Britain. He was sent off against France, as he had been against New South Wales on the 1958 tour, and was very much a player of his time, relishing the physical and often brutal combat of the game.

"It was always about man to man confrontation – I would never condone dirty play or thuggery," he said. "I always enjoyed it more if there was a body or two lying about: it made the job a bit more interesting."

His paternal grandparents had been Lithuanian, but he was born the son of a Scottish father and an Irish mother in Widnes, preferring soccer until he took up rugby with the West Bank Amateur club aged 15. A junior coach took him to St Helens, and Murphy recalls him running the six miles or so from Widnes to training and back twice a week. That was part of a determined attempt to toughen himself up after a chastening debut in which "the Warrington pack knocked hell out of me. From then on I nursed a grudge", he explained. "I lived practically like a hermit. I did nothing each night I came home from work but train, train, train. I did body-building and weight-lifting exercises. Gradually I was putting on those extra pounds and hardening my muscles."

After retirement, he returned to Widnes as coach from 1972-75 and 1983-84, each stint ending with another cup final win at Wembley, but concentrated mostly on the family's thriving scrap metal business, which he sold before moving to the Isle of Man. He is survived by his wife, Barbara, and their daughters, Stella and Diane.

ANDY WILSON

The Guardian, Friday 19 December 2008

 

 

They talked about great English rugby league lock forward Vince Karalius in jargon peculiar to men from the 1950s and ‘60s. It’s double-edged and contradictory. If you’re from a different era you’ll need an interpreter to grasp the nuances.

“He [Karalius] was a monster but not a bad sort of a bloke when you got to know him,” said Australia’s own great lock Johnny Raper of the man tagged “the Wild Bull of the Pampas”.

Australia’s former captain coach Ian Walsh thought much the same. “He’d walk on you than around you but I didn’t mind him”.

Karalius, a legendary hard man of rugby league, has died aged 76 in England leaving behind a legacy of raw ferocity and skill along with genuine sadness among men he terrorised.

“I always enjoyed the game more when there was a body or two lying about. It made the job a bit more interesting,” Karalius once said.

Karalius came to Australia once in 1958 and played Tests and against a Colts team that included Raper, Walsh and a third future Test Captain, Reg Gasnier.

If Raper, Walsh and Gasnier were Colts, they were broken in by a thoroughbred stallion in Karalius. “The first time he played the ball, I was the marker,” Raper remembers. “It wasn’t my go but I hit him. There was no reaction. So the next time I hit him again. No reaction. When I did it a third time and started to run away, he grabbed me by the jumper and said: ‘Oi, there’s still 60 minutes to play lad’.From then on when he was on the open side, I was on the blind. And when he was on the blind, I was on the open.”

Raper, like Walsh and others who played against Karalius, accepted his duality as simply part of the game in those days.On-field vicious mayhem was counterpointed by off-field friendship and good will. Odd but true. The game embraced a philosophy unknown nowadays of retaliate first, when you lift yor head was to recover consciousness after the game.

“I got to know Vince really well,” laughs Raper. “He was such good company off the field. On the field I’ve never met a worse man.”

As a player Karalius is much loved in England for his ability to destroy an attack with his fearless defence. He played against Australia in  the 1960 World Cup and the 1963 Kangaroos that included Walsh, Raper and Gasnier. Karalius also won three Challenge Cups at Wembley as a player and another as a coach.

In the second Test against Australia in 1958 in Brisbane he could not even stand in the dressing room at half-time because of back trouble. But with Captain Alan Prescott going back to play with a broken arm,Karalius forced himself back on to the field for an heroic win in what became known as the “Battle of Brisbane”.
Another great Australian forward, the late Harry Bath, who forged a career in England between stints with Balmain and St.George, is credited with putting Karalius on the path to reality. Bath, playing for Warrington, gave him a hiding in a game against St.Helens, probably the only who ever did. Karalius was softer then. It convinced him to get fitter and tougher and training became an obsession. He re-built his body into physical perfection that made him feared. He would propel himself like a runaway tractor at anyone carrying the ball.

“His one thought was to hurt you,” Walsh said. “He looked as if he was made of granite. Felt like it too.”

Karalius acknowledged the hiding from Bath was life changing. “I got a good pasting and I came off the field realising it’s like a war, so I better get myself fit,” he once said. “I lived like a hermit. I did nothing each night after work but train, train, train. I wasn’t going to let anyone trample on me.” Bath remained a lasting target of retribution for Karalius. “In his last game against St.Helens I gave him a real hammering. I think I knocked him out a couple of times.”

The return bout should be on any time soon. It’s a golden coin admission through the pearly gates.

- RAY CHESTERTON – DAILY TELEGRAPH 16 December 2008.


 “In those years the Poms were just too good for us. They had an awesome array of tough and skilful players in the 1958 Touring Team when they played against our state team in Sydney. The ‘Wild Bull’ Vince Karalius was devastating. I can attest from personal experience, that Karalius didn’t need any help tackling 14 plus stone of me. Vince ‘hated’ Australian players and never, and I mean never, missed an opportunity to show it. Karalius ran amok throwing stiff-arms all over the place and getting away with it. Karalius was sent off in the second half as were Mossop, Hawick and Dimond. The Poms won the war 19-10.

- Excerpts from PETER DIMOND’s book ‘Playing With Legends’.

 

Vince Karalius

Hall of Fame - Career Details

The modern history of Widnes Rugby League Football club has been shaped by two loose forwards, natives of the town, where careers followed a similar path. At around the same time that a teenage Doug Laughton was signing for St. Helens, the veteran Vince Karalius was leaving Knowsley Road for Naughton Park. It was Vince who set the ball rolling.

Born Vincent Peter Patrick Karalius on October 15th 1932. his father was Scottish and his mother Irish, whilst his grandparents originated from Lithuania. In early life he aspired towards a career in Association Football (Soccer) as a goalkeeper, though it did not take him long to come to realise that his future lay with the oval ball game.

At sixteen he played for West Bank juniors under team boss Frank Grayson, of whom Vince later said, “He knocked plenty of rugby, and sense, into me in those early days.” Frank’s rigid discipline was exactly what the enthusiastic young man needed at the time.

When Karalius finally made the move up to the professional ranks it was not with his hometown club but with St. Helens, whose trainer Peter Lyons had recently left Widnes. That was in August 1951 and eleven success filled years followed bringing many honours including captaining of his side to victory at Wembley in 1961. His powerful running and ferocious tackling had earned him Test status and the Australians were so impressed with his all action style that they dubbed him “The Wild Bull of the Pampas.”

On his move to Naughton Park in 1962 he was appointed club captain, taking over the role from his cousin, Frank Myler. Vince later said of the transfer: “Some players come back to spend their last seasons at their own home town club like horses being put to grass. I came back to Widnes determined to give 100% effort.”

In his first season here, Widnes finished third in the Championship, equalling the club’s best ever league placing. The following campaign, 1963/64, saw him lead his team through an epic Challenge Cup campaign of nine matches (including replays) before he lifted the cup at Wembley following a 13-5 victory over Hull K.R. This was the Chemics first trophy success in eighteen years. If Vince Karalius had been five years younger at that juncture, then there is no knowing what he could have achieved as a player at Widnes, to what new heights he might have inspired his colleagues. As it was time caught up with him, for in 1966 he announced his retirement and Rugby League lost a player whose commitment and dedication were second to none.

Six years later Vince was back on the Naughton Park scene, this time as coach. He introduced a new regime to the club with fitness being the key, and set himself a target of turning Widnes back into winners within five years. It didn’t take that long! In the season 1974/75 Salford were beaten in the Lancashire Cup Final and the much fancied Warrington in the Challenge Cup. For the first time ever the Chemics had won two trophies in the same season and Karalius, with his job done, stepped down once again. He did return briefly in 1983/84 to coach the side to more Wembley glory but by then the Widnes fans were used to seeing their team victorious.

The achievement of Vincent Peter Patrick Karalius was that he had joined a club which despaired of ever recapturing the glory days of the 1930’s, and breathed new life into it, first as a player and later as a coach. So much so that he helped found a dynasty which has made Widnes one of the great clubs, to rank with the giants of Wigan and Leeds. Without doubt he can be considered as Widnes’ equivalent to Liverpool’s legendary manager Bill Shankly.

 

Noel Kelly's Kids website wishes to thank the writers of the above storys about this great man of Rugby League.

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